You may have read in my previous posts that I had a Microsoft Zune as my MP3 player of choice. Well, for my wife's birthday last month, I bought her an Archos 604 media player to watch downloaded movies and play music.
As soon as she opened the box, I was immediately jealous. Besides the device's massive screen, I liked the ability to connect the unit to a PC as a normal removable drive, and the ease of which we could move media to the device, not depending on any software for synchronization (although we are using Windows Media Player for the device sync.).
Zune...you were a good friend, but I bid ye farewell...
So, with a somewhat heavy heart, I sold my Zune and all accessories on eBay, and ordered an Archos 404 (same specs as the 604, only with a 4" screen). I got one for a paltry $140 - they are priced at well over $200 retail.
Comparison of both devices:| Features | Zune | Archos 404 |
| Capacity | 30Gb | 30Gb |
| Battery | 14hrs music | 12hrs music |
| Screen | 3" diag. 320x240 | 3.5" diag 320x240 |
| FM Tuner | yes | no |
| Recording | no | yes (internal mic) |
| Line in | no | optional |
| Navigation | D-pad + 2 option buttons | Vertical arrangement of buttons (slightly clumsy) |
| Play music while browsing device | yes | yes (updated 08/10/07) - see commentary at end of the post |
| Management software | Zune proprietary | Non-proprietary (can appear as attached drive for manual drag & drop) |
| Video | Windows Media Video (.wmv): Main Profile, CBR or VBR, up to 1.5 Mbps peak video bitrate, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per sec., with Windows Media Audio up to 192 Kbps, 44.1 kHz, stereo audio; Simple Profile, CBR, up to 736 Kbps video bitrate, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per sec. | MPEG-42 (ASP@L5 AVI, up to DVD resolution) WMV (MP@ML, up to DVD resolution) With optional software plug-ins: - H.264 up to DVD resolution and AAC sound. - MPEG-2 MP@ML up to 10 Mbps (up to DVD resolution) and AC3 stereo sound. |
| Pictures | JPEG (.jpg): All resolutions (desktop software will automatically convert to 640x480 at sync time) | JPEG, BMP, PNG |
| Internal speaker | no | yes |
| Other nifty features | Zune sharing via WiFi (I never used this) Add songs to quicklist (playlist) on the fly. | Can read PDF Files, optional DVR accessory allows you to record TV on the device. Browse device folder structure directly from UI, manipulate files. Audio/video bookmarks. |
| Weight | 5.6oz | 6.7oz |
Dislikes:
- Proprietary USB cable, although this seems to be par for the course with the big players in the digital media device market. (medium)
- No video playlists (Zune didn't support this either). (minor)
- No removable battery. (medium)
- Display is a bit hard to see in bright sunlight, but this is the case with many LCD screens. (medium).
- No 'kickstand'. (minor)
- Does not support playing music with the slideshow. (minor) - well, kinda - see my commentary at the end of this post. You still CANNOT assign a song to a slideshow - starting at the beginning of the slides, and ending at pre-determined point.
- Sharp, vivid display in normal indoor ambient lighting. (major)
- DVD quality video. (major)
- Connect as a Windows Media device or standard removable hard drive. (major)
- Set bookmarks for audio and video (major)
- There are no software 'gotchas' that lock the device to a particular computer (like iTunes and Zune software), you can connect it to any computer and drag & drop media to the device without fear of some software deleting everything. (major)
- Ability to record audio (with internal mic - line in is available as an aftermarket option). (medium)
- Ability to record TV with optional DVR station. (medium)
- Picture thumbnail browsing. (medium)
- Folder/filesystem browsing via GUI, ability to delete files/folders. (medium)
- Internal clock - what about an alarm clock or sleep mode? (minor)
- PDF file support. This seems like a novelty, but remember, you can print any document to PDF format, so you might find an additional need for this. (minor)
- Capture snapshot of playing video (minor)
One problem I had to work around was the fact that the device uses .pla playlists. Windows Media Player supports .wpl and .m3u formats as a default, and both don't translate to the device (the .wpl files plain don't work, and the .m3u's come over, but no songs are contained in the playlist). I had to use WinAmp to create my playlists...this worked very well. Otherwise, WMP was able to handle everything else that I wanted to synchronize.
Comparison to the 604
Regarding my wife's 604 (the start of this whole obsession): The size difference between the 404 and 604 is substantial, but I've grown very accustomed to the 3.5" diagonal display. It easily fits in my pocket (but is a little wide), and I can take it anywhere. The screen on the 404 has a matte finish, whereas the 604 is a little glossier, but otherwise, both have a very comparable display quality.
Of course, the 604 is heavier, but both use the exact same DVR station (they both come with plastic bezels that you can use to keep them snug on the DVR dock) and USB cables.
* some enlightened anonymous commentator who started out his comment with "stupid moron!" said I could click the menu button during a song and browse the device, but neglected to say that you have to then click the 'home' option, and ONLY when you are in the song info screen, not when you are in song browser mode. In any case, shame on me for not seeing this. Note you will not see this comment below.I will not hesitate to delete comments that are insulting to myself or other readers. This is a forum for intelligent and 'grown-up' commentary, not for immature name-calling. Don't like it? You can go somewhere else, we don't need any more negativity in this world, whether it is online or in real life.
7 comments:
Hi Rob,
I've been trying to get ahold of you via hotmail, icq, and your vbshf site. I'd like to get your blessing to distribute your (awesome) windows update force script internally in my company. Please throw me a bone! ;) colin.m.tuggle@accenture.com
PS - For my money and use it doesn't get any better than the $30 2gb ipod shuffle knock off I bought from www.kaidomain.com several months back. The exact one I ordered isn't available anymore, but I see they've added a TON of new models since I've last looked.
Oh hey! Sorry about that ... :) Feel free to use the script as you see fit. Just be sure to keep the original credits in there!
Re: MP3 players...I always wondered how well those knock-offs worked. Seems as though they aren't that bad, eh?
Hi Rob - thanks first of all. Secondly, yeah I was very impressed with that site I mentioned previously. A friend of mine ordered a total of 5 for himself and friends/family. No issues with any I know of. I'm not sure if the iPod Shuffle "requires" iTunes (which I despise), but the knock off version lets you simply drag and drop (and delete) like a drive, which is a must for any MP3 player I'd keep.
So glad that I came across your review! I bought a Zune for $99 from NewEgg. As a longtime Creative user, I figured that I'd give it a shot.
The Zune has been a HUGE disappointment. The fact that a Microsoft product is not compatible with WMP is mind-boggling. I have a whole laundry list of gripes that seems to grow daily.
I've had my eye on the Archos 404, and your review helps a lot. Its a shame that there is no video playlist support (I have tons of music videos) and that it doesn't support .wpl or .m3u. Whaddup with that? So much for true playsforsure. I guess you can't win them all.
I hope that Creative comes out with something realllllly soon.
@yodabeesh:
"The fact that a Microsoft product is not compatible with WMP is mind-boggling."
I agree totally! A new MS application especially for the Zune when there already is an application that does 99% of what the Zune software does? Wha?
"...it doesn't support .wpl or .m3u."
Actually, I've had some hit or miss success with .wpl - I will create a playlist in WMP, and it will work about half the time. Very strange...
I'm glad you found the review helpful!
Rob
I just purchased an archos 405 (2GB) + 16GB SD card from newegg... but now I'm wondering if I should have just purchased a 404 30GB from eBay instead.
Hmmm.
Thanks for the review. Just bought the new 405 with 30 gig HD last week. It's great. Have the same problem with WMP playlist syncs. How exactly did you do it with winamp without destroying the prior WMP syncs?
You can email me at pierre_bimont@yahoo.com if you have a minute for me. I'll appreciate.
Pierre
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